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LabRat Severely Sleep Deprived

Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 120 Location: Greenville, SC
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: Wild, Wonderful 24hr |
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Team GLR had a great time at Odyssey's Wild, Wonderful 24 hr AR this weekend. I couldn't think of a better way to spend the weekend than in West Virginia's water and forests. This race was just Jim Kelleher and myself: two person single-gender category.
This was our first Odyssey race and Ronnie and crew did as professional and organized a job as their reputation said they would. The volunteers were great and very organized, the staff was helpful and fun. What more could you want. And the course...well...
We started with a white water raft race down the New river. Our guide was Eddie and he was very competitive - the boy wanted to win. We worked pretty good as a team on our randomly assigned boat with six other racers. The best part of the paddle was hitting the class V rapids dead-on and seeing the front of the raft almost vertical then falling down and paddling like crazy to keep it bottom-side-down. fun, fun, fun. We battled another team in our wave of 5 boats, caught the first wave of boats, and ultimately got passed by that boat with 7 people in it. Our time was 1:15 in that portion, a quick 6 minute TA got us moving again. I did some quick math and i think we came in 3rd fastest behind the two boats with only 7 people (thus they were lighter = faster).
Then the race started for real. We had been surprised to find out that we had to stage our bikes and packs (!) the night before the start. That was a twist that we had not expected and we scrambled to pack everything but the clothes we'd wear on the water. No food, no water, no map, no compass, nothing. I felt naked.
There was a long trek to the bikes, up from the river, back down to the river, across the bridge below the New River Gorge Bridge, back up the wall. We initially went into the wrong trail head from the road - follow the leader mostly. We immediately turned around and went the next 50 feet to the correct trail and popped out in a neighborhood in Fayetteville. Only a short time on the road to the park and where the bikes had been carefully arranged on the grass, grouped by team number. Nice touch, it was just one of the nice things the volunteers/staff did for us all day.
Then we hit the single track, down Fayetteville Trail to Kaymoor Top trail head. Fayetteville trail had some fun switchbacks, short power climbs and racing downhill runs. Then down the (unmarked) road to Craig Branch road. We then got on Kaymoor Trail to Cunard (where we launched the boats from earlier that day). The trail from Cunard to Dunglen was pure, flat old railbed that we did a very fast, big ring cruise down. We made decent time to CP3 in 2:35. We had a 38 minute TA to eat and change gear then onto the trek orienteering section.
The trek started with a very steep, hard climb up into the Garden Ground Mountain area. We admit that the squiggly, cauliflower looking areas on the map didn't make sense to us at first. We guessed it was elevation but had never before encountered strip mining on a map. We found the OP A with Racer's for Christ and Calleva (solo female). It usually takes me a CP or two to get into rhythm on a course and this race was no exception. We initially overshot A (both elevation and distance), but i quickly righted myself and nailed it right out on the point like the map showed.
Then on to OP D, it was very similar to A but kinda hidden behind a rock. We decided to bushwhack to E at this point. This was just over a Kilometer on the map from point to point, as the bird flies. We trekked a good bit further than 1k. We never did find that trail on the map. We saw a waterfall. Yes, Ronnie there is water up there, it was cool.
We initially came out on the access road almost on top of the CP, but thought we were north of it. After a first unsuccessful attempt at the wrong stream, we backtracked and it all made sense. The flag at E wasn't too much of a problem, but i think my plot was off a bit. We got out and on to OP N then to the power lines.
We found OP L, then back on the road to M where the views were very cool over the New River Gorge. We took the road to the trail then up the NW side of the steep hill to G. We came off G down the even steeper SW side hill. Our initial plan was to go get H, but it was getting dark and we were worried about making the cut at CP6 by 7:00 am so we didn't go for it hoping our 7 OP's would be enough. We went quickly on road and then back down the 800 or so feet to the TA. We had been out there 7:16, 42 minutes later we were back on the bikes.
We were in our element and busted a move on the road, crossed the bridge and started climbing on the gravel McKendree road. There were portions of very fun downhill and long, boring up hill climbs. CP5 times are not posted yet, but i think we made good time, rested 5 or so then headed out. Oh, and the push up from hwy 41 to Tank Hollow was brutal at that time of night, after all else we'd been thru. In general all of Tank Hollow road just plain sucked. And i mean that in the nicest possible way.
We got to CP 6 around 6:05 am-ish (no split times up yet). We had gotten turned around and missed the turn for the shorter route up in Chestnut Knob area. We ended taking the trail to the west that gave us more strip mines instead of the direct route down CR 19-35. We think that added an hour to our time. And that is why we didn't go for another OP on the trek course (margin for error)!
The hike to CP7 was mostly uneventful except running into a team that swore the Narrow Gauge trail and bridge didn't exist. They were wrong. We hesitated a little during the transition to Manns Creek Gorge Trail, but stayed the course, got the CP and jogged much of the way to the finish. We got there at 8:10 am after 23:03 minutes of West Virginia fun. I did a little jump over the finish line but nobody was looking.
The unofficial results put us 3rd in our category (2 person single gender) and 10th overall. Not too shabby for a couple of old guys. _________________ I'm not really lost...I'm just sightseeing.
jeff papenfus
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Karin AR Junkie
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 644 Location: Juneau Alaska
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hell! Not too shabby at all!!
Congratulations to you guys!  |
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berylfarmer I Pretend I Can Navigate

Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 43
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Great job Jeff. I was there too, with my teammates from Nashville. Not sure what Odyssey was thinking with the bike transport, may have ruined our race. My computer was missing and I had a bent spoke. Todd's drivetrain was screwed up, causing a broken chain. I think all in all 3 of us had flats, I had two. All that aside, we completed the race with 3 OPs. Glad we gave ourselves time to get to CP6, turns out we needed every minute there. Looks like about 30 teams DNF'd that race, so for the 20 or so of us that finished, kudos to us. Also, congrats to CPzero/inovate for clearing the course and winning. Peter raced Mix the week before too...what a stud. |
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berylfarmer I Pretend I Can Navigate

Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 43
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh. I forgot to mention...we were in the raft that passed you...thanks to my Dragon boat training, we called out all the strokes and took 1st place in the paddle...Jim is not impressed and thinks I should have looked at the bigger picture and not wore my team out at the front end of a 24 hour race...but, what does he know. |
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jackforester Dodging Sleep Monsters

Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 183 Location: Dawsonville, GA
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| berylfarmer wrote: | | Great job Jeff. I was there too, with my teammates from Nashville. Not sure what Odyssey was thinking with the bike transport, may have ruined our race. My computer was missing and I had a bent spoke. Todd's drivetrain was screwed up, causing a broken chain. I think all in all 3 of us had flats, I had two. All that aside, we completed the race with 3 OPs. Glad we gave ourselves time to get to CP6, turns out we needed every minute there. Looks like about 30 teams DNF'd that race, so for the 20 or so of us that finished, kudos to us. Also, congrats to CPzero/inovate for clearing the course and winning. Peter raced Mix the week before too...what a stud. |
Yeah, my bike has the integrated shifters (brake and gear shift on one lever). I've never had an issue with them, but at the start of the first bike section, I noticed the lever wouldn't automatically pop back after shifting to a harder gear. I'd have to finger it back to the original position. Later in the race, I couldn't shift into an easier gear at all, and got stuck in the hardest gear from the ride from CP5 to CP6...so much for that cut-off time...I made it through much of the rolling hills by some 3rd wind energy, but when it came to the long climb back to the camp, we slipped the cable down to granny gear, and pedaled back to the finish.. Not sure if it was the transport or something else. It doesn't appear to be the actual derailler, as even with the cabled detached, the hand lever still won't budge.  _________________ -Jack (Not Josh)
Get burned! Atomic AR: May 15-16, 2010
http://www.teamrocgear.com Winning >= Competing > Finishing > DQ/DNF |
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eischman Time to Buy Stock in REI
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 81 Location: Durham NC
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| berylfarmer wrote: | | Looks like about 30 teams DNF'd that race, so for the 20 or so of us that finished, kudos to us. Also, congrats to CPzero/inovate for clearing the course and winning. Peter raced Mix the week before too...what a stud. |
My team was a DNF because we did not do a great job with time management. The RD said the couse could be cleaned and the O portion could take 10 hours so we mapped out a route to clean it and maybe drop a point or two if needed. Well, considering the only team to clean it was the studs of Inov/cp0 and they did it in over 12 hours..... we should have reviewed it better and adjusted. We got 10 optional points and searched for 2 more with no luck and headed back passing many of the locations of the other points and some being very easy ones. It was very frustrating. This was the first 24 hr for 1 teammate that barely made it through the hike. We thought we could make it through and did not adjust accordingly for our slower pace than usual so we screwed up and took our first DNF.
Oh well! We gambled wanting to finish near the top and we we paid for that. Sometimes gambling pays off and well sometimes it does not. For us finishing near the top was worth the gamble and more important than just finishing.
As usual, I will continue to learn and adjust which will make me improve and not make the same mistakes in the future. _________________ "No pain....no pain"
"I was built for comfort not for speed" |
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berylfarmer I Pretend I Can Navigate

Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:53 am Post subject: |
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you know, my shifter stuck too...just thought it was due to riding in the rain so much lately. i have rapid rise, so I kept pressing with my index finger and pushing it back open to shift...my bike's headed to the shop this week.
Make sure you fill out that race review that Odyssey sent out and make a comment about bike shuttles being crappy. |
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jollespm AR Junkie

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 883 Location: Marietta, GA
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| eischman wrote: | | The RD said the couse could be cleaned and the O portion could take 10 hours so... | Ronny did say he only expected 1-2 teams to clean the course. We got started on the o-course about 2:00 PM and by the time we got 8 of the points I thought we'd have plenty of time to get back.
As it was, we had trouble finding CP K and CP E, as well as getting out of there. We tried following one of the roads/trails that followed Camp Creek and it quickly faded to nothing. We had to drop into the creek to make it down, which took us an extra hour or so. In hind sight, I don't think we were high enough and weren't on the trail as indicated on the map. We'd have been better off backtracking from E and taking one of the bigger trails back towards CP A and CP3/4.
We left CP4 at 2:40 AM, and nearly broke ourselves to get to CP 6 in time. We made the bike ride in 4 hours, which gave us a few minutes to transition and hit the trails.
Nice to see so many familiar faces out there. Good job to anyone who made it through that tough course, officially or unofficially. |
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eischman Time to Buy Stock in REI
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 81 Location: Durham NC
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="jollespm"] | eischman wrote: | | The RD said the couse could be cleaned and the O portion could take 10 hours so... | Ronny did say he only expected 1-2 teams to clean the course. quote]
Yeah...there were so many extra trails. Many of our bushwhacks did not pay off and ended up at the edge of big drop offs. _________________ "No pain....no pain"
"I was built for comfort not for speed" |
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jollespm AR Junkie

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 883 Location: Marietta, GA
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| eischman wrote: | | Yeah...there were so many extra trails. Many of our bushwhacks did not pay off and ended up at the edge of big drop offs. |
We experienced the same thing. Most of the time we were able to shimmy up or down, but at least once we had to turn around and find a more suitable route. I was lucky, with my long arms and legs I was able to reach farther and provide my body as something to hang onto while climbing up and down.
We ended up taking trails about half the distance, the rest of the time was point to point bushwhacks. FWIW, we did a roughly clockwise loop of the points.
My most memorable moment from the o-course was bumping into 2 guys (sorry, I didn't catch your names) who had been lost for 3 hours somewhere between L and K (I think). When I told them that was where we were headed and that they were welcome to follow us out, they said no way, it's impossible to get through there and they would rather take the long way out and around the wood pellet plant. I do admit, it was one of the trickier sections with all the extra torn up 4-wheeler mud pits. |
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jforest1 AR Junkie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 1456 Location: Cumming, GA
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Odyssey WW24 CPT Blog wrote: | A Navigator's Bread & Butter - the O course
posted Sat May 23 @ 9:17 PM
The Garden Ground Mtn area - and, really, much of this area of West Virginia - can offer an enjoyable challenge for those who love navigation/ orienteering 1) because of all of the strip mining that has occured over the years and 2) because of how long it's been since surveyors and cartographers have updated the Quadrant maps.
As one can imagine, the mining changes the terrain dramatically, lopping off the tops of mountains; cutting off hillsides, making for some unpredictable vertical drops. These often don't show on the map because they are shorter in height than the distance between contour lines. (e.g. a 39 foot vertical face will not show on a topo map that has 40 foot contours). The mining also leaves behind a multitude of roadbeds, all of which may or may not have been mapped. You'll also see this with areas where many of the larger trees have been harvested.
Quadrant maps (from which customized mytopo race maps are compiled) often have just a few areas that indicate updates (new roads, dammed creek creates a lake, new buildings, etc). The majority of the map will likely indicate what the area looked like 20, 30, 40 years ago. This means that trails may be overgrown and difficult to see or they could now be doubletrack gravel roads. Dirt roads indicated on the map may also be overgrown or paved. The Quad map scale offers more detail, but not all of it will be current.
As is true in many areas, trails and roads indicated on the map may not be on the ground. Trails and roads on the ground may not be on the map.
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Steve-O, I gotta hear your take on this one!
--josh _________________ Get Nuked! Atomic AR by Fuji
http://www.TeamROCGear.com
"In adventure racing, there is no victory for one--the finish line can only be a triumph of many." |
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John F AR Junkie
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 750
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont know but to me that would stink as a nav man. To look at one thing and have the map say another is no fun. |
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LabRat Severely Sleep Deprived

Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 120 Location: Greenville, SC
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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i wish i lived closer, i would offer to go collect the bags just to see the 8 CP's we didn't get to go to. _________________ I'm not really lost...I'm just sightseeing.
jeff papenfus
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Jim K AR Junkie

Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 355 Location: Travelers Rest, SC
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Well it was Wild and Wonderful for me! Jeff kept us on track and challenged my old arse!
[quote="berylfarmer"]
Oh. I forgot to mention...we were in the raft that passed you...thanks to my Dragon boat training, we called out all the strokes and took 1st place in the paddle [quote]
To funny we send our young stud "Phelps" on the run/swim and gave us a good jump at the start. Then that anoyaning cadence being called out from behind us!! Our Skipper Fast Eddie knew the water and the lines. Pretty wild how both of our boats hit some of that stuff head on side to side. You folks did real good and when you got by us for the last time we just couldn't get it back. A fun way to start the race. The pace really quickened when we had the first wave in our sights and the range was closin'.
The rest of the 24 was just to much fun and look forward to more Odysee races
I could go on and on. There was just to many good things that went on during the race for us
Jim K _________________ "We do not stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing" |
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jeremy Time to Buy Stock in REI
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 83
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Odyssey traditionally designs o-courses that will really show who the top 3-4 teams are in any given race (or 1-2 teams in this race). This course was a pretty good example of that. I liked the o-course, it was challenging, but I think it was inappropriately difficult given the varied experience levels of the racers. If this was your first 24hr AR...wow that o-course knocked you in the teeth.
We got out on the o-course 4th (~2:30) and by 7:30 - 8pm we had 8 of the points... Once the sun set it was a whole different game out there. We ended up spending an hr looking for J, attacking it from the road to the south. Ultimately decided we really needed to hussle back. Picked up L and N, and tried trucking it in with 12 points. The "truck" in was quite a bit longer and harder than we thought it would be, ended up at CP 4 at 3am and left about 3:15. We just didn't have enough left in the tank to make it to 6 in time, pulled in there at 8:25am. I'm proud as hell we made it in 5 hrs. We had a 15min credit from the raft....so we missed it by 70 minutes. I'm banging my head against a wall for not bailing on j sooner. Dropped us from 3rd overall to 23rd overall. |
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